Well, better late than never. It’s been over two weeks since liberal guest blogger Leah submitted her “rumblings” after listening to Rush Limbaugh. I’ve finally finished my rebuttal to her comments on his Monday, July 13 show. Her original post is here. It is repeated here below, with my own retorts interspersed. While I applaud Leah for taking up the challenge to tolerate a few days of Rush—my end of the bargain was to watch Rachel Maddow, and boy was that insufferable!—I feel that many of her arguments were baseless or unfair.
So here ya go:
1:20 One half of a sentence from Obama’s Weekly Address from July 11th. In said clip, as played by Limbaugh, Obama states that “the Recovery Act has worked as intended.” This is a completely out of context quote. The full text of the address can be found here: The full quote, with Limbaugh’s clip in italics, is:
“The Recovery Act wasn’t designed to restore the economy to full health on its own, but to provide the boost necessary to stop the free fall. It was designed to spur demand and get people spending again and cushion those who had borne the brunt of the crisis. And it was designed to save jobs and create new ones. In a little over one hundred days, this Recovery Act has worked as intended. It has already extended unemployment insurance and health insurance to those who have lost their jobs in this recession. It has delivered $43 billion in tax relief to American working families and businesses. Without the help the Recovery Act has provided to struggling states, its estimated that state deficits would be nearly twice as large as they are now, resulting in tens of thousands of additional layoffs – layoffs that would affect police officers, teachers, and firefighters. ”
The rest of Obama’s address underlines Americans’ frustrations that the plan is not working faster, and states that the plan was designed to work over 2 years and has only just begun. Acknowledging this would have completely undermined Limbaugh’s characterization of what Obama was saying. So, I suppose it would have been inconvenient to present the quote in a context that was, oh, I don’t know… truthful?
One minute and twenty seconds in, and we already have a biased quote, taken out of context and out of time line. Amazing. And I thought Limbaugh’s propensity for doing that was just a myth.
Actually, the quote Rush played was, “In a little over one hundred days, this Recovery Act has worked as intended. I don’t know what other “context” you think Rush is taking that out of. That’s all one needs to know. Rush isn’t being biased. He’s just picking the kernel inside the layers of Obamaspeak. Which is a bold faced lie, at least from Americans’ point of view.
If you want to talk about being untruthful, your claim (or Obama’s) that the stimulus package was designed to work over 2 years is a flat out lie. Obama looked the American people in the eye and said that to avoid a catastrophe—his exact word, the crap sandwich commonly called the Stimulus Package had to be passed immediately and that we’d be seeing jobs created and saved within a matter of a few months. When it didn’t happen, which any sane human being knew it wouldn’t, Obama back-pedaled and made up the excuse it wasn’t supposed to work for a couple years.
1:30 Back to July 5th and Joe Biden speaking on “This week” with George Stephanopoulos. We once again have a quote without relevant context, let along time line. I’m confused about how this paraphrasing of Stephanopoulos’s lead in, which reinforces the argument Limbaugh just made against the last Obama quote, goes along with Limbaugh’s regular complaints of Liberal Media Bias in the mainstream media.
Full text of the interview can be found here. Relevant quote and response, with Limbaugh’s cut off point in italics:
BIDEN: And so the truth is, there was a misreading of just how bad an economy we inherited. Now, that doesn’t—I’m not—it’s now our responsibility. So the second question becomes, did the economic package we put in place, including the Recovery Act, is it the right package given the circumstances we’re in? And we believe it is the right package given the circumstances we’re in. We misread how bad the economy was, but we are now only about 120 days into the recovery package. The truth of the matter was, no one anticipated, no one expected that that recovery package would in fact be in a position at this point of having to distribute the bulk of money.
Excuse me, but Rush did play more than you say he did. What you omitted was a full minute between Biden and Stephanopoulos, concluding with your italicized statement. Rush didn’t play the remainder of that paragraph, but he played several preceding paragraphs:
STEPHANOPOULOS: While we’ve been here, some pretty grim job numbers back at home—9.5 percent unemployment in June, the worst numbers in 26 years.
How do you explain that? Because when the president and you all were selling the stimulus package, you predicted at the beginning that, to get this package in place, unemployment will peak at about 8 percent. So, either you misread the economy, or the stimulus package is too slow and to small.
BIDEN: The truth is, we and everyone else misread the economy. The figures we worked off of in January were the consensus figures and most of the blue chip indexes out there.
Everyone thought at that stage—everyone—the bulk of...
STEPHANOPOULOS: CBO would say a little bit higher.
BIDEN: A little bit, but they’re all in the same range. No one was talking about that we would be moving towards—we’re worried about 10.5 percent, it will be 9.5 percent at this point.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But we’re looking at 10 now, aren’t we?
BIDEN: No. Well, look, we’re much too high. We’re at 9—what, 9.5 right now?
STEPHANOPOULOS: 9.5.
BIDEN: And so the truth is, there was a misreading of just how bad an economy we inherited.
That’s all the information we needed to know. Rush wasn’t taking anything out of context so I don’t know what you’re talking about. So, who’s doing the playing-clips-out-of-context game here?
So, Biden is not contradicting his boss, a week before Obama’s July 11th statement though it may be. And both are saying the stimulus is working and citing the ways in which it is working. Which is the exact opposite of what Limbaugh says they’re saying. Huh.
4:02 Limbaugh is deliberately distorting a point here. Neither nor Obama and Biden are both saying the unemployment numbers are anything but a travesty and a disappointment, neither planned for nor intended. They’re simply saying that the numbers would be much worse if the Recovery Act hadn’t been instituted and backing up their argument with statistical facts. So far, Limbaugh has backed up his point with out of context quotes and outrage.
Again, there are no out-of-context quotes, and I’m not sure what you mean by outrage other than a completely understandable extra slowing down and articulation of Rush’s speaking pattern in this section.
Obama and Biden’s claim (if you’re right in that’s what they’re saying) that the economy and employment would be worse without the Act is preposterous. Nowhere in world history has such a plan worked on any economy anywhere. The only place it works is the protected pages of Marxist literature, in which Obama is well-steeped, and in the sheltered halls of Marxist college classrooms, in which Obama is well experienced.
If/when the economy gets better at all, it’s despite, not because of the Recovery Act. The Recovery Act is a failure by every measurable standard which is going to keep the economy from bouncing back as well as it could. It’s just like when FDR imposed the New Deal, which historians and economist agree kept the Great Depression running longer and harder than it needed to had the federal government just gotten out of the way and let the free market do what it does best.
And don’t kid yourself. Obama and Biden aren’t disappointed by the unemployment numbers. If they were, they’d do something about it, which they’re not.
4:32 Let me see if I have Limbaugh’s theory straight: Obama wants America to have 10% unemployment and American citizens to be suffering. Limbaugh said a minute back that the Obama administration is continuing the failed policies of the previous administration, but now he is stating that these policies are why he wanted him to fail? So, Limbaugh wanted the Bush administration to fail? And if another Republican administration had come in and had been continuing these policies as one Republican administration to another, Limbaugh would have wanted them to fail, too? Do I have this right?
Partially. Rush did want Bush to fail—in passing the first stimulus package and TARP. No conservative truly agreed with Bush on this. Indeed, it was these decisions—with the complete cooperation of the Democrat House and Senate—that set the stage for the economic crisis Obama says he inherited. Rush is exactly right that Obama is continuing the same failed Bush policy because from pretty shortly after we got our footing back after 9/11 up until 2007 this economy was superb. Then the housing market crashed and Bush, by his own admission, abandoned free market principles to save the economy. So Rush’s comment here is easy to explain. What you need to explain is why Obama is bitching and moaning about an economic crisis he “inherited,” when he is imposing the exact same policies that caused the crisis in the first place times a hundred!
Now, in terms of Rush thinking Obama is doing this to the economy on purpose: This is where we move from facts on to analysis/opinion. It is Rush’s opinion that Obama is purposely destroying the economy for reasons he’ll be discussing later. From my own standpoint, I think that claim has merit. Whether or not you agree with that position and why, I’d be interested in hearing.
5:17 Ah, conspiracy theories and misrepresented statistics. Limbaugh cites the Rasmussen Report poll that states more Americans are against national health care than for. First off, he’s leaving out that 75% of Americans are for health care REFORM. Second, as of now, the bills in Congress are not going to institute a mandatory one payer system and the Obama administration is not strongly advocating for one. So, what is he railing against exactly?
First, what conspiracy theories? That Obama wants to create chaos so that more Americans will be more and more dependent on big nanny government to fix all their problems? You call it a conspiracy theory. The rest of us call it page 1 of the Democrat Party playbook.
You didn’t address this point and I’d like to know why:
RUSH: Folks, they are depleting the private sector of capital. They are taking money away. Everybody knows that to stimulate job growth you have to provide incentives in the private sector for that growth to take place. There are no incentives. There are no incentives for anyone to invest, there are no incentives for anybody to hire, I mean in great numbers. You have pockets here where there may be some upticks in performance, but overall when you're up at nine-and-a-half percent unemployment and heading higher, it's not possible to revive the private sector. You need more people working.
This analysis is 100% correct, yet it is the opposite of what the Obama administration is doing. Like he said, no one can be this stupid. How else can one explain it other than they are collapsing the economy on purpose?
Second, what misrepresented statistics are you referring to? Where are you getting this 75%? The Rasmussen report Rush cites clearly states that 49% are opposed to Obama’s plan and 46% are in support of it. Granted, Rush said “national health care” and didn’t specify Obama’s plan in particular and unfortunately the Rasmussen pollers didn’t ask if people were against health care reform in general.
But even if your the 75% figure is correct (and please provide the link to the poll that shows this), it’s irrelevant because it’s Obama’s plan that would get implemented. And if 49% are against it on July 13, then as Rush said, that’s bad for Obama.
7:20 Limbaugh re: Obama: "This is a man with a chip on his shoulder. This is a man who seeks to get even." For what exactly?
The “chip on his shoulder” and “get even” thing is a common theme for Rush. Never has Obama said anything good about the United States, either domestically or abroad. When he’s in the U.S. he’s accusing his own citizens of greed, selfishness, not to mention racism. And when he’s galivanting around the world he’s apologizing for America being arrogant, for talking too much and not listening enough, for stoking hatred by poor innocent Islamofascist regimes, for “not living up to its moral responsibilities,” and for emitting too much carbon emissions in proportion to its population.
Here’s another case of Limbaugh’s quoting a debunked misquote/splicing.What’s this, the third in seven minutes? Obama flat out did not say we had nothing to do with the cold war in the interview I presume he’s citing.
But I understand. It’s worth not telling the truth if it helps his listeners to see that Obama and the Democrats have a secret plan to destroy America.
First of all, it wasn’t the Major Garrett interview Rush was referring to, it was the speech Obama made in Moscow, in which he said this:
OBAMA: The American and Soviet armies were still massed in Europe, trained and ready to fight. The ideological trenches of the last century were roughly in place. Competition in everything from astrophysics to athletics was treated as a zero-sum game. If one person won, then the other person had to lose. And then within a few short years, the world as it was ceased to be. Make no mistake: This change did not come from any one nation. The Cold War reached a conclusion because of the actions of many nations over many years, and because the people of Russia and Eastern Europe stood up and decided that its end would be peaceful.
This is one of the most disgraceful rewritings of history by an American, and a president no less. Russia and Eastern Europe didn’t stand up to squat. Reagan, having rightly branding them an “Evil Empire” years prior, put the squeeze on them using tactics not coincidentally criticized and mocked by the Democrats of the time, until the Soviets cracked. The U.S. won. The U.S.S.R. lost. Obama totally rewrote history to make it looked everyone just decided to get together and sing kum-ba-ya.
As a subsequent Wall Street Journal editorial correctly states:
The truth, of course, is that the Soviets ran a brutal, authoritarian regime. The KGB killed their opponents or dragged them off to the Gulag. There was no free press, no freedom of speech, no freedom of worship, no freedom of any kind. The basis of the Cold War was not “competition in astrophysics and athletics.” It was a global battle between tyranny and freedom. The Soviet “sphere of influence” was delineated by walls and barbed wire and tanks and secret police to prevent people from escaping. America was an unmatched force for good in the world during the Cold War. The Soviets were not. The Cold War ended not because the Soviets decided it should but because they were no match for the forces of freedom and the commitment of free nations to defend liberty and defeat Communism.
Now, the interview you cite comes from an interview that occurred several days later after Obama’s speech, in which Major Garrett grills Obama over his comment, “The Cold War reached a conclusion because of the actions of many nations over many years, and because the people of Russia and Eastern Europe stood up and decided that its end would be peaceful.” To which Obama replied:
OBAMA: Well, listen, the—I think that you just cut out Lech Walesa and the Poles.You just cut out Havel and the Czechs. There were a whole bunch of people throughout Eastern Europe who showed enormous courage.
And I think that it is very important in this part of the world to acknowledge the degree to which people struggled for their own freedom. I’m very proud of the traditions of Democratic and Republican presidents to lift the Iron Curtain.
But, you know, we don’t have to diminish other people in order to recognize our role in that history.
So here’s the funny thing: The link you provide is from Media Matters, who accuses Sean Hannity of cropping parts of the Garrett interview (the parts in bold) on his July 7 FNC show, in order to somehow misrepresent Obama’s comments. But if you read those cropped comments, you will see Obama still knocking the U.S. down a few pegs by mentioning the supposed contributions of other parties, like the Poles and Czechs. But even the Poles and Czechs acknowledge that it was the U.S. (and also the U.K. under Thatcher) that was responsible for our winning the Cold War. So if Sean Hannity included the parts of the Garrett interview that Media Matters accuses him of cropping, it would actually have made Rush’s case against Obama stronger! He even tries to change domestic history: There weren’t “traditions of Democrat and Republican presidents to lift the Iron Curtan.” Hell, Jimmy Carter, easily Obama’s closest historic analogue, wanted us to just accept the reality of Soviet Communism on the world stage, thereby legitimizing it even more. It was Reagan and Reagan alone who acted to get the Iron Curtain lifted. And Democrats mocked and criticized him all the way. Some of those Democrats still occupy seats of the House and Senate to this day.
So, Rush is telling the truth all right. Lots of ‘em. They’re just inconvenient truths, that’s all.
So … Obama wants America to fail, so that the government has more things to fix? Or Obama wants to cut us down to size because he’s one of those people like “Sonia Sotomayor?” Ah, Senator Boxer and your fight to be called by your earned title, where are you when I need you. Limbaugh must mean they both went to Ivy League colleges. No? They’re both lawyers? No? They both have brown skin and therefore are mad at America and can’t love it the same way a white person can? They both come from races of people who are obviously all poor with no wealth that needs redistributing?
Not even going to respond to that rant.
9:19 Tax cuts. Tax cuts will stimulate the economy. Limbaugh’s grand plan and alternative to the Recovery Act emerges. You mean like the ones in the stimulus plan for 90% of Americans? And tax incentives. He wants those, too. You mean like the ones for home buyers? But, wait. I though he said that those things would get the economy “moving,” and didn’t he just say that the economy is failing because of the Recovery Act?
First and foremost, tax cuts, which the president is planning to let expire in 2010, always have and always will stimulate the economy. The supposed tax cuts that Obama claims to have in store for “90% of Americans” (I think he said 95%) does not exist. There is no way the stimulus money will ever be paid back unless everyone, and their children, and their grandchildren, are taxed. And what home buyers? Obama and that totalitarian Barney Frank has declared war on mortgage lenders and banks. Houses aren’t being bought very much because no company want s to lend for fear of the wrath of the Marxists now running Washington.
10:27 Chuck Todd interview with Obama on July 7th. Should we look for the transcript, or just assume we have yet another quote cut and spliced to make Limbaugh’s point? Full transcript here, containing no apologies or disowning of the Cold war, by the by:
Looking over the transcript, I can assure you we’ve been deliciously spliced from bits of the interview here and there. Here’s part of it. This quote includes the ‘c’ of Obama’s three part answer at the end of the clip. It would have completely undermined Limbaugh’s argument. I guess misquoting someone is a small price to pay for making your point. Parts played are once again in italics:
OBAMA: Well what I would say is that in some areas you are seeing the economic engine turn. But what we always knew was that a. this recession was going to be deep b. it was going to last for a while and c. even when the economy pulls out of recession that you are going to see jobs emerging only at the end of that process rather than the beginning.
11:39 If Republicans are not going to grow by bringing in moderates and independents how ARE they going to grow? Where will the new Republican voting demographic come from?
Yeah, I know. Bringing in those “independents” and “moderates” helped John McCain. Really worked well for Bob Dole in 1996. Won George H.W. “Read my lips: no new taxes” Bush that second term, didn’t it? You know who really brought in the moderates? Two-time-landslide unapologetic conservative Ronald Reagan, that’s who. Who got John McCain more votes than he would have had he picked a “moderate” running mate. The electrifying unapologetic conservative Sarah Palin. And why should Republicans heed advice from a Democrat on how to attract voters???
13:36 We’re back to the July 7th interview, in which “Obama disagrees with his idiot Vice President Biden.” The funny thing is this interview shows more than any other that Obama and Biden are saying the exact same thing. If you LOOK AT THE TRANSCRIPTS this can very plainly be seen. Limbaugh must know this, right? He wouldn’t deliberately be misleading his listeners in order to make his point, would he?
Oh, sorry. I forgot. Obama wants America to fail. Right. Silly me. And we must convince our listeners that this terrifying idea is true, even if it means stretching the truth. And you know, hearing one sentence here, one sentence there, I just might believe it was true if I didn’t have the common sense to LOOK AT THE TRANSCRIPTS.
I already did LOOK AT THE TRANSCRIPTS, and you’re wrong. The only way Obama and Biden are in sync is by making excuses for an economic plan that has already failed miserably—by design Rush contends, and so do I. It’s just their excuses that are different. Obama is saying we’re not supposed to see progress for another couple years (bullsh*t) and Biden is saying they seriously misread the situation (much, much closer to the truth)
Anyway, there’s more of this but it’s basically the same charge: Rush is cutting and splicing audio tape to fit into his feverish conspiracy theories and to make Obama look bad by playing statements out of context. I on the other hand see Rush playing everything he needs to play, nothing more, nothing less, and that his “conspiracy theories” are actual, observable realities which becomes clear as the nose on one’s face once one take the hope&change-colored glasses off.
And so, after listening to pundits of opposing political persuasions, Leah and I will have to continue agreeing to disagree ...
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